Film vs Film Podcast

Ridley Scott Films - Thelma and Louise vs Gladiator

November 24, 2021 Martin Harries Episode 53
Film vs Film Podcast
Ridley Scott Films - Thelma and Louise vs Gladiator
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This week on the pod as House of Gucci hits cinemas around the world.  It is directed by the legend that continues to make films well into his eighties and I am of course writing about Sir Ridley Scott. So we will be picking our favourite films from his work, that we didn't pick in our Ridley Scott episode in disguise, space films.

Warning we will be talking SPOILERS

Martins pick this week is the instant classic that is, Thelma and Louise. On this one we talk about the incredible acting skills from both Gena Davis and especially Susan Sarandon. We talk about the how funny and emotional this script is. Plus discuss in depth why for some reason Brad Pitt is a movie star now. IMDB page

Boaz's pick this week is the sword and sandal modern classic that is, Gladiator. On this one we talk about the greatness in Ridley direction especially in the action scenes. We talk about the amazing performance from Joaquin Phoenix and discus probably why this whole story is all Richard Harris's fault. IMDB page 


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Hello film fans welcome to the film versus film podcast. My name is Martin Harries your host and I'm joined by the filmic Cyclopedia man pious Dix. We are a couple of filmmakers on occasion but mainly Can't Stop yapping about movies. On this podcast every episode, we pick a topic from a film that's coming out at the cinema, or on VOD, myself and buyers pick our favourite film from that topic, and we battle out to decide which film will become the greatest film of all time. According to two film geeks from Wiltshire, England, if you enjoy this podcast please leave us a review and subscribe. This week on the Ferro versus film podcast as house of Gucci is out in the cinema Plex is around their world. And that director of that film is Mr. Sir Sir Ridley Scott. And as always, I am joined by for the love of God I'm sick of it already. Oh, don't tempt me. Man. Don't tempt me. I'm joined by G. Yes. diksa biggest stickers. Yeah. So you know Monty Python if you know Monty? Yeah. Yeah. Thirsty for a Capri Sun husband to a Wi Fi modem. I shall have my vengeance in this podcast are the next? Yes. As ever, you might already know we have a buy me a coffee account. And if you want to say a big, big thank you and buy us a coffee. You can follow the show notes and press on the link and you can say a big thank you. That would be amazing. Right. Shall we go with my film first for Ridley Scott films? Let's do it. Cool. I went with Thelma and Louise. One of Ridley Scott's fairly earlier films I would say Oh, also, I forgot to add don't send us abuse because we haven't picked alien or the Martian because you've done those or you've already done the in our space films episode. So this is basically a Ridley Scott part two because that was a Ridley's Yeah. In Disguise in disguise. So if you love those films, check out that episode. But yeah, my choice is Thelma and Louise. I know I thought I kind of go with something a bit different. I think I was stuck between this one and American Gangster. Oh, okay. So I went for this one. Yeah, it's just a nice like, funny, feminist feel good, even though it's sad at the end is very feel good, I would say at the end. So what happens in Thelma and Louise? Well, Thelma and Louise, plan to basically go on holiday for the weekend, leave their husband and boyfriend behind. So they could have a real good nap time. But so they, I'm tempted to do it, man to do it the old way. Don't do it. It's the last you'll ever hear of me. Like Alpha friendship. I'll just I'll jump into the Grand Canyon. I swear to God. They say they go on a basically a long road trip. And they decide to stop at a bar. And Thelma is very excited about it about the trip and just really wanted to allow her hair down. Have a good time. Louise a bit more cautious about it. And Thelma gets hit on by a guy. And then that guy tries to rape her and Louise saves. And then pretty much shoots him right in the chest. So then they basically go on the run from then on basically trying to survive, they robbed a few stores and the police and the FBI are basically on their tail. And the situation kind of gets worse and worse. as they go along. You definitely get a sense throughout the film that they ain't going to get out of this. And they drove into the Grand Canyon in a great freeze frame shot. Yeah, so yeah, that's the film really. It's one of those great feminist classic films of the 90s. Yeah, I really liked it. I hadn't seen it for for a long time. So I kind of was wanting to revisit it as well. So yeah, I this is one of those films that I've seen reference You know, like some of the other ones, reviewed like millions and millions of times, especially by the Simpsons. I remember that episode of The Simpsons, which was essentially Thelma and Louise. But I've never watched them and Louis so this is the first time I've watched it. Yeah. Yeah, it was really good. I enjoyed it. Right. Directing then this film is definitely an actor's film, I would say a film that doesn't have too many great directional visual moments that you would associate with Ridley Scott film, a lot of their emotion. Emotion is definitely expressed through their acting, but there are a few directional moments that express the character's emotions. The shot I liked a lot is when Thelma is asking Louise if this young Hitchcock hiker JD play by Brad Pitt can hitch a ride with them. But of course, she refuses because in Louise's mind, she's making the same mistake twice. And then there's like a brilliant shot where she's like reversing really fast down this dirt road, passing lots of people in to this gas station. And it's just a nice representation of how pissed off she is reversing really quickly. I quite like that. Yeah, that was pretty cool. There was some particular shots that I quite liked. So when they're driving, I think after they've robbed the store, and the cameras basically on them with the top down, and they're just driving and like celebrating and like whoo, and like will, you know, and that was pretty cool. I mean, I love those shots of, you know, basically the camera following them in the, you know, with the car with the top down and stuff, you know, so going at speed as well. And then it cuts to like a shot a tracking shot of the car as it's going to speed. So from the front of the car, keeps to it all the way to the back and keeps to it. And I thought that was I thought that was pretty cool. I also like when they were driving at night, as well. And you know, they're taking turns and just how it cuts are lapses time that you know, they you know, keep taking duty to drive and stuff. But it's done with the music that's playing on their radio, which is still playing through the scene and just how it transitions between them switching it's like it fades like fades into her and then into her again and stuff. I thought that was pretty nice. When she you know she watches the sun rise and yeah, and then that scene ends I thought that was quite nice. The visual storytelling at times is really good and subtly done were at the point where they get robbed from JD you know, and Louise thinks they're in a terrible situation and she's like, how are we going to get out get to Mexico then she noticed is an old woman in a window looking bored and horrible and then like subconsciously for Louise it's do you want to end up like this old woman and level it all you know, and it's certainly a running theme throughout this film for the character because obviously Thelma is the one and very much you know going full throttle with this kind of lifestyle where Louise is very much the thinker of the two and a bit more cautious and less willing to kind of fully let her hair down kind of thing. Yeah, so I kind of like that reflection of of Louise just like looking at this old woman like yeah, I don't want to be she doesn't really react too much. But it's just an interesting set all Storytelling The by the last car chase scene was really impressive. Actually, there's a great stunt where you don't expect it at all because this is not an action film. Really. You know where a cop car does like a barrel roll crash, which is quite great. When Louise like speeds past the parked cop car, she clips the wing mirror and there's like an incredible slomo or the wing mirror in midair. You know, looks amazing. Then there's some incredible wide shots of all the cars chasing them. And you see all the like the brilliant dust trails with great afternoon like it's just really, really nicely done from Ridley Scott. He kind of definitely comes into his own near the end of this film. I would say any other direction or moments you liked. Yeah, I'm sure well, what was it the that sex scene that was steamy as fuck on it indeed it was. Yeah, yeah. Body is glistening. Just glistening. Okay, no, I think that was his first like major role in a film as well. So I mean, I wonder why he's a movie star now. Yeah. After that performance. Yes, it's his glowing personality. Nice six pack and great physical features. Yes, son of a bitch could have been made. I quite liked the scene. Like I just thought it was funny because this is just a you know a an example of the directing of the scene that made it more funny. But when all the FBI guys are watching dramas on Yeah, that was funny. I love that and they're all just watching you just see them watch it goes through them. And then to the husband who's like, Ah, fuck it oh and then he's got the controller and he switches it back and they all just look at him and the cameras still Oh, man. Yeah, this is your house but come on. I just thought that was really well done. That made me chuckle then you have like the iconic freeze frame frame shot as Thelma and Louise drives into the canyon, the Grand Canyon it's just a beautiful sequence where everything the acting the lines work so well to make it quite emotional. Yes, a very Hollywood ending you know them dying like this is the perfect way to die for these characters. You know this this type of film this kind of outlaws on the run type story does come up an awful lot in cinema. Certainly one recently queen and slim with Daniel Colonia is very similar in concept to this film, the end is very different. So if you've seen that film, you know, I mean, it's basically not a Hollywood ending. It's certainly dealing with racism in that film and that whereas this one is dealing with with feminism, and violence and against women, sexism basically my favourite sequence though is when you think they've escaped the mass of cop cars, then the atmosphere really does change between the two characters and it's the first time we really get proper like uneasy music score in the film with the acting to the they look uncomfortable both smoking a cigarette and everything is telling you this is not going to end well. And then Ridley Scott really brings his visual prowess to this film where you have this incredible wide shot of these of their car driving around the side of a cliff face with a light coming through the dust trails and then you see a helicopter literally, like 200 feet below them or something. Yeah, yeah, that was pretty stunning on the side of the cliff and then the helicopter comes right over the camera just brilliantly done. Have you know the sense of impending doom from from then on the like, the scale of the film really ramps up with these incredible like desert shots? You know? Yeah, that's definitely my favourite little bit there. Yeah, I also liked when you know, the cops corner them and it has this smash cut of basically them loading their weapons just like loads of them putting ammunition in their guns. megaphone, you're like oh shit. Things have gotten serious. Yeah, that's pretty tense. You got a favourite scene? I mean, you know, it's got to be the end. Yeah, it'd be the whole ending. Yeah, section is my favourite scene. Oh, actually do you know what I think was kind of very funny scene was when they hold up that police officer who would stop speeding that was really funny. Yeah, you know shoot his radio and put him in the put him in the back. Yeah, it's like the politest way any characters or put a guy in the back of a boat or yeah first like seasons randon is in disbelief like what the hell are you doing Velma? And then they Elmer is like putting a gun to a cop heads and dealing with the cop. Just so naturally, just like it's like taking out the trash. While Louise just trying to be polite and apologetic. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Just so funny, both of them so funny. But we're very different performances score as we go. I don't know. I'm kind of veering on to I think my I'm going like, dammit. But it's just these two numbers I'm trying to get through. Okay, I'm gonna go on eight. Go on eight. You definitely hear the cogs turning in biases. Yeah. Yeah, they hurt very much. I think this is quite well directed. I would say uh, you know, I mean, Ridley Scott is definitely a great director. And, of course, of course he is. But he's always been accused of kind of like not being able to do character stuff very well. He's always been like all the visual director, but you can't do character. But I think this film just proves he can do character stuff. Well, so, you know, I'll go with an 8.2 range screenplay then. I do quite like the south of this story where you know, and how like the characters are kind of set up, where Thelma and Louise plan to leave their husbands behind for the weekend. And Thelma is really excited to go. You know, she's wearing nice clothes, laying her hair down and wants to have some fun while Louise is slightly more mature, wearing normal clothes, wearing her hair up. Still wanting to have fun but still cautious. And when they stop at a bar, a guy is hitting on Thelma and Louise basically tells him to leave them alone with that brilliant like shot of Louise blowing smoke in his face. That was pretty funny. And then the scene develops as if Thelma is allowing herself to have fun with this guy and Louise isn't and dancing awkwardly with the other guy and not really enjoying yourself. So the scene is pointing you in the direction that Louise just needs to live a little and just have some fun with Thelma. But when Thelma starts to feel ill the guy tries to rate Thelma and Louise saves the guy doesn't care at all at all and says the end, suck mark. Boom, no hesitation at all. Louise blows the guy away. Then Louise says, you watch your mouth, buddy. It's full of anger. But what I like about that line is the is the fact that it said We've no regret at all. But she shot him just great set up. And then you kind of start to ask questions about like Louise's past, like, Why the hell was no hesitation you know, just instinctively just shot the guy even though she's never killed anyone in in the past at all. So it's just really, really interesting. Yeah, no, I thought that was a good mystery laid out to the film. Because, you know, that happens, obviously, her gut reaction to kill the guy and then to run away as well. And that they won't be believed, you know, we'll just tell them what happened. It's like they won't believe I still think it's murder was murder. And and then, you know, she doesn't want to go to Texas. It's like, why don't you want to go to Texas and then, you know, she kind of works it out. It's like, Yeah, you were you were raped in Texas. That's it's pretty dog. It's interesting how the Texas stuff develops through the film. Because we're at first you get this like fleeting remark as they go to the bar. Like she just says the last time I was in a place like this was when I lived in Texas. And then when they decided to go to Mexico film, a scene assumes they have to go through Texas to get there. But Louise refuses to go through Texas and refuses to tell her why. And then they'll make guesses that the reason Louise won't go to Texas is because she was raped there. So it's just interesting how they how this like bottled up secret slowly comes out, which certainly is the emotional drive for Louise's character. I like how the film establishes pretty quickly that Louise is fully committed to going on the run by going to Mexico that Jimmy is completely willing to help her with getting more money without telling him but with Thelma it's great where she's trying to sound normal with Daryl, but Daryl is just giving her shins. She's not even there. He even stops listening to her when something happens in the NFL game on the phone. And then Thelma just has enough and just as go fuck is it's just a really great satisfying moment for the character. And now that she's fully committed to go with Louise, I do like her character development through I mean, both of those but hers as well, because at the start, you know, she's very much. I don't know, like a bit of a doormat for a husband, who just isn't really paying attention to her doesn't really care what she has to say. And he's always, you know, shouting around and stuff and she's just a complete doormat. And then she changes dramatically through this. And I think that's, that's a major moment of light, you know, go fuck yourself, and she's gonna do her own thing. It's interesting how both Thelma and Louise take charge of the situation, but with major consequences that lead to their downfall. But whereas the other one is suffering or panicking, like at the start, Thelma is the ones suffering, obviously nearly being raped and Louise intervenes, but shoots the guy that gets the cops on their tail. Then it's like revolves reversed at one point about halfway through where JD robs them and Louise is freaking out about how they're going to get their money back. Well Thelma solves the situation by robbing a store to get loads of money but she's caught on camera with like a really funny scene where all the cops are watching her on see CCTV in disbelief but who also is saying the exact same lines that JD was was you know, was using about how easy it was to Robert place, just really clever, like funny writing, or how kind of like, you know, Louise, and Thelma has roles kind of flip on their head halfway through. And I do love the line from Thelma after she hears Louis saying that she's done something that could get them killed. And they should have gone to the police from the start. But then filmer says nobody would believe them and ends by saying my life would have been ruined a whole lot worse than than it is now. At least now I'm having some Now I'm not sorry that that bitch is dead. I'm just sorry that you was the one that did it, not me. And it's like, now Thelma is like super confident of who she is and has no regrets and having the best time of her life, being a criminal criminal. But then cut to all the police officers sitting in their living room looking tired and bored out of their minds. Just a great juxtaposition. They're going from someone loving life, breaking the law to people abiding by the law and looking miserable. You know, it's a great little joke there. Oh, yeah, they get revenge on this. There's this truck driver who keeps bothering them. I think this happens three times. Oh, yeah. Keeps like making inappropriate, you know, faces at them and are all to be honest. Like comments and they keep driving fastest fucker. And they eventually stop him with like, okay, you know, come out, let's get busy or whatever. When I pull him up on the road, and like demand the apologise. I don't think he's gonna apologise. Now, I don't think so. Yeah, that was funny. I'm close up the tank. That was pretty cool. There are some great lines in this film. Well, now, I've always believed that done properly and probably doesn't have to be a totally unpleasant experience. Yeah, but JD is definitely robbing you right now. How can you not tell this is happening? Thelma has a gun to the cops head and says Louise shoot the radio. And Louise says right. That shoots the radio. The police radio Louise Jesus Christ. Oh, I'm sorry. You finally got laid properly. That is so sweet. I like when our husband is like, he's been told that she you know, she may have committed murder and stuff. And he's like, What? What is freakin? Oh god the detective. I know the fuckin actor. I just can't remember him now. Harvey Keitel, right. I have a cocktail. Yeah. So he just starts laughing. He's like, you know, you're standing in Peter. It's just kind of like the moist Right? Like, you're standing in urine, pizza. And when Javi coetail is, you know, interrogating while interviewing JD and he says at the end. Your miseries will be my goddamn mission in life. Yeah, that's a pretty good one. Yeah, that's a pretty badass quote. I quite like that one. I think my favourite line is from Thelma I think is a bit of ADR when they're just driving after she puts the phone down on Darryl and they've just seen JD that he you know they've left JD and she says, Darrell don't have a cute boat. You could park your car in the shadow of his as? Yeah. That's pretty fun. You got a favourite line? Yeah, you know, the pizza one is funny. A lot of the ones that we've said are really quite hilarious. So score them by the way game for for screenplay. Yeah, I quite like I quite enjoyed the screenplay. Sort of. So it's pretty. It's pretty nice. I'll go maybe in 8.5 Nice. Yeah, I quite like it. It's just a really nice like feel good story. Really great lines and just really great characters that you can really root for a great feminist film. It's interesting, because everyone was like at the time. Oh, yeah. Hollywood will change after this after the film and it never really did. Which is such a shame we didn't never really got that many films like this with with really, really strong female leads. There was always a guy with the female lead in 90s films, right? It kind of reminds me of like, you know, you have so many body cut buddy movie bro movies. You know, bros on the road. Midnight Run the Midnight Run? There are loads of them. Yeah. But yeah, you don't have many female road movies, female friends going out and going on an adventure. There are not that many of them. So this is it's pretty interesting. Yeah. So I'll go and 8.7 I think so acting. I did enjoy Christopher McDonald's. pratfall, right at the start, where he's trying to get in his car. And there's and there's like, all these construction work going on around him. And he just falls right on his ass. Pretty far off these planks. Yeah, it just made me laugh out loud. God dammit, Homer, Christ. I gotta go to work. You know, it's great characterization that the person Thelma is married to is a bit of a douche. Yes. I think the acting in this is really really good. Especially from Susan's surrounding. He plays Louise. I love the little moment after Louise shoots the guy and they end up in like a coffee place. And they're trying to figure out what What to do? And Thelma asks, so is this all my fault isn't. And then Louise snaps up her head, as if to say, I really want to say yes, it is actually all your fault, because of the way you acted with that guy. She stops herself from saying anything because she knows, of course, it's not her fault. It's just great, great acting from season's around. And it's just written all on her face of just the initial just like a not well, not annoyance, but just anger at Thelma of like if he just was a bit more cautious wouldn't happen. But it's not your fault either. Because the guy was a bastard just stuck in such as horrible situation in that point, emotionally and just really struggles to find out what the best thing to say is just great stuff from seasons around. And there's another great emotional moment from Susan Sarandon character, when she's having a really touching conversation with her boyfriend, Jimmy played by Michael Madsen. And when they have like a kiss at the end, and Jimmy walks off out of the shop, she just stay at the shop just stays on surrenders face with this very emotional look. And you can see in her eyes, they they're watering up and in her face, she's telling you, she's never going to see him again. You can just tell that from her face facial acting, you know that shot works so well because the writing and the chemistry between those two characters were so good leading up to that this moment, even though they've only only really had a few scenes. It's just the chemistry is so good. I fall. Yeah, definitely. You know, with Jimmy trying to understand what's happening with a little like an emotional outbursts, throwing a table. But again, really tries to be understanding. I feel like in surroundings performance fairly early on that this is not going to end well. For these two characters, she does display like quite a lot of conflicting emotions. And she goes through some stuff and it's just very interesting how she connects with what's going on and her relationships with with people, I think, I think it was really good. And I really do like, you know, something we didn't mention in the script and stuff. But you know, at the end when they're basically like, you know, I want to I don't want to stop, you know, I want to keep going and it's like what do you mean? And I love that whole scene and it's just a genuine like, I mean, let's do it. Yeah, she's my favourite performance of your favourite performance. Yeah, I think it'd be acting the score bars way going forward. I'm gonna go for like an 8.3. Yeah, I think probably the acting in this is probably the best thing about this film, I would say. So okay, like an 8.7. Which, which is matching the screenplay, but Well, I would say it's just as good. A screenplay. Maybe I'll go 8.7 as well, I suppose. Okay. Right. Let's add up the scores then for Thelma and Louise. Thelma and Louise gets 50.8 Not bad. Not bad at all. I'll tell you what is bad, though. Your southern accent. isn't all that bad? Yeah, God. Yeah, no, I think mine's worse. Yeah. Right, Mr. Uncyclopedia. Man, what is your film for readers movies? Yeah, yeah. Mine is the story of a general who became a slave, a slave who became a gladiator, Gladiator fight and emperor. I'm of course talking about Gladiator. No, Russell Crowe and Joaquin Phoenix. Yeah, it's an excellent film. I think this is probably the most my most watched movie. Really. I've watched this film a lot. Like when I was a kid, I watched it a lot. I think this is the first film that I ever watched that had like any kind of dismemberment or blood. Yeah, I remember it used to freak me out. You know, when the you know, during the chariot scene where that woman is cutting hair was like, Yeah. But yeah, I watched this a lot, a lot. You know, it's definitely one of these that if I've seen it on TV, you know, I gotta finish watching it. You know, I've seen it quite a feat. Yeah, you gotta stop what you're doing. And you just got to watch it. I always find as well because yeah, I think you're right. Anytime it's on. I think this is another reason why it's my most watched film is many other films, you can either start watching, if you've watched before, and you go, I have seen the best bits and then just turn it off or whatever. Or you'll catch the end. I'll just get to the end. But I think this whole film was just amazing. So it's like whenever it's on. Yeah, I was just completely invested. And I just watched them thing. Was there any other films in contention for you? I'm not like massively up with Ridley Scott's filmography was other than the ones we've done on like Alien and other ones in AI No, I'm not sure I haven't really watched not Prometheus. I never watched Prometheus. All right, yeah, it's uh, yeah. It's very dumb. I'll put it like that. Yeah. Well, this is this is the, this is a problem. There are Ridley Scott films where people don't recommend me. Okay. They just go. It's a big film and they go at it had problems. It's like, well, then why the hell do I want to say yeah, yeah. It's kind of like when I watched Robin Hood, because he did Robin Hood. Right? Yeah. I thought I watched it. Yeah. You know what I mean? So and, and I think was it Gods and Kings? Gods of Egypt was no, Gods. Yeah, I can't remember. No, it wasn't that Egypt, Gods of Egypt or something entirely different. A different level of shite. I think. That was a terrible movie, though. Gods. Exodus. King Sega. That's the one. Yeah, that was. Yeah, no gods of Egypt. Man. That was an abortion. That was really, really bad. Yeah, I mean, yeah, Ridley Scott couldn't make something that off. No. But yeah, yeah. So you know, the Moses one was, well, it was like me. So I don't know it's to me. I don't know that many like epic films like that we haven't discussed by Ridley Scott, where I'm like, Oh, God, other than Gladiator. And I mean, it's just my most watched films. I think when you think of, you know, Ridley Scott, I think you always think of alien, Blade Runner, Thelma and Louise and Gladiator. And then now probably The Martian, because I think post Gladiator, I think he's only really made like, one really, really good film. And that was the Martian, really. And he makes a lot of films. Yeah, I mean, I've said this before about Ridley Scott, where he's of the mindset now of, if he likes the script, just a little bit, he'll do it. You know? He doesn't really care. Even if it's not that great. You'll just be like, Yeah, fuck it. Yeah, pretty much. I don't know whether it's just a getting older thing. But I just I'm interested to see the last year though that came out recently. I've heard that's good. Yeah. Well, I didn't know I didn't know he did that. I didn't know some people like really loved it, but some people really hated it as well. So it's one of those like some people literally describing it. It's It's not far away from like Monty Python. Some people describe it's kind of a bit like Robert De Niro's career. He's like, done so many classic films, such an incredible actor, but then later on in his career, he's done a lot of not so great stuff. And Ridley Scott, unfortunately, is slowly going into that category if he's not careful of, of just such a legendary director just doing a lot of mer films, you know, yeah, I've not obviously, it'd be really interesting to see what house of Gucci is gonna be like, and then he's gonna do kitbag, the Napoleon film. That'll be really interesting. He does, like an historical epic. Like Kingdom of Heaven again, is another one. That's really good, but the director's cut is the good one. Not the theatrical was one of those. And he is going to make gladiator too, as well after kitbag. So yeah, that's going to be interesting. I wonder how they're gonna pull out what happens in Gladiator. So the story is about russell crowe's character Maximus Decimus Meridius. And he's a general in the Roman army. He's from Spain, which everybody calls him a Spaniard. And even though he's from Spain, he is distinctly Australian. Anyway, he so he's a general in the Roman legions, and after a stunning victory over the Germans, they finally conquered Germania, and the Emperor Marcus Aurelius. He thinks he's gonna let him go home Commodus, who is the Emperor's son? He wants to be emperor next, and he thinks his dad is gonna make him emperor. Why won't it be me choose me? Yeah, yeah. He's a whiner. But yet to surprise everybody. Basically. I forgotten the name of the fucking guy already. Anyway, the Emperor aka cert, Marcellus, Marcus Aurelius. Oh, thank God. I was gonna say my cell is very different. Yeah. Yeah, negro. But anyway, so yeah, most, you know, he doesn't look like a bitch. So yeah, Marcus Aurelius. He surprises everybody by announcing, well, he's going to announce that Russell Crowe's character should be emperor, and not Commodus. And, of course, when he tells congress this Commodus kills him, and then when Russell Crowe won't join them, because he's like, you know, while the emperor is Marcus Aurelius has been slain by communists and communists to seize power and he thinks this is wrong. He's taken to be executed and his family is killed and his property is burned. He manages to escape death, but then he is sold as a slave. And then he's made into a gladiator. And he has the opportunity to keep fighting his way up until he can be in the presence of the emperor who loves his gladiator games and gets his revenge within notch. I do love this film and I mean the action actions grey. I think Ridley Scott is one of these great directors. He's just got a great eye for action, especially I don't think he's necessarily known as an action director. But he just knows where to put the camera man. Yeah, to create maximum impact. Yeah, cuz I mean, this film even starts with like, like a really epic battle scene against the Germans and that is so cool. That's such a great scene to start you're moving on just like legions of forces on the Romans marching up a hill in the forest and fire raining down arrows and you know, he's cutting up people and dogs coming out of everywhere. It's just so hectic. It's such a crazy scene. Yeah. Directing then like from the first two shots cut together of other hand brushing against golden barley wheat I'm not sure so a close up of Maximus you pretty much know where our main characters had spaces. Like this general is longing to be somewhere else which later we learn to be his home which the whole driving force for the character is to survive and to be with his family again then in an in another life after they get really mad yeah, as you said like the the opening battle is really epic. There's so much going on I think you know I love the why the great wide shots filled with fire arrows and their Roman so soldiers all the way across the shop. I think my favourite bits are when one of like the giant like Arrow Casbolt thingies take out two germanium at the same time that was really cool. And when Maximus is like charging through the woods and decapitates a German and like leaves a flaming sword in the tree that was interesting. What's interesting is how like the battle ends though, where the shutter speed on the camera goes really at a really low rate to create this very blurry look to the battle to make everything look really messy and dirty as the Romans when the battle. Combine that with a very like soft music score by Hans Zimmer. I think it creates like a certain sense of relief for the characters that that the last battle is finally won. Especially when he finished the scene on Richard Harris as Caesar. You know, he base basically is like, Oh, thank God, that's just such an incredible battle scene. Yeah, and you get the snows finally come down. Yeah, just over everything. Yeah, it's quite nice. It's just very sombre moment. I just love also the camera work to get you into the headspace of the main characters, especially in a Russell Crowe and, and stuff like, you know, when he's going around the camp, and he sees all these dismembered people, his dismembered soldiers. And he goes to because they're washing hands to go to supper, as well. And he washes his hands to get and it's just covered in blood. It's just filled with blood, and you're like, Oh my God. And then he goes and it's to a fancy banquet with rich people. It's just like the become the difference is just kind of insane. He just wants to go home when you can sort of, it's a very different feel like after the opening battle compared to the, you know, the end of the gladiator battles, where it's all like a huge celebration, you know, kill, kill, kill or live live. It's just a big contrast between, you know, the opening battle, the reaction to that it's just very sombre, and, you know, a big relief that it's over compared to massive excitement. The score in this film is just incredible. Yeah, the music is so epic. It's like the definition of effort. Definitely. Some interesting camera techniques. Do you remember when he's he collapses? And then he sold into slavery. And you get this very weird shot? Where he's kind of levitating above the ground? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I do. And then it becomes he's in a cart. You have this just shot where he is just levitating across, barren wasteland, and the camera has him like, you know, centred, like, sideways. I was quite weird. It's kind of like he's on the edge of dying and like passing over to heaven kind of thing. Yeah. And then they fully i Because, you know, I like that they bring that back at the end when he does in fact die. And then it's a you know, this is his, like, his soul is just shifting off to pastures green. I just like that. I thought that was pretty. It was pretty crazy. Yeah, it's very innovative. And, and then, you know, they repeat it uninterrupted for his actual, you know, move into heaven. Yeah, I think that last It's probably my favourite scene actually. Not my favourite shot, but certainly my favourite moment. Yeah, I think it's very emotional. It's a great combination of the entire film. Everything has been done, everything has been solved. He has great respect, you know, everybody's carrying his body. And then I just love how, you know, you get the music crescendos, which is, you know, the theme of the movie, you know, musical composition. Yeah. And it just gets so loud. And then he's finally pushes through his property door and then just goes up to see his family. And it's just, it's really fuckin emotionally and I. Oh, God. I mean, I've seen this film many, many times. I always get really emotional when Gracchus approaches Maximus, his dead body and says, Who will help me carry him? And then literally everyone walks for everybody. Oh, god. Yeah. That's brilliant. Say well done. I know, buddy. No, buddy. I find that funny. They all take him everybody, the soldiers and everybody. Just leave the Coliseum with him. And Commodus is just like on his ass. Just there. Yeah, screw that guy. Nobody gives a fuck. Just so emotional. I like how the fighting styles kind of change for Maximus. For each gladiator scene. Like the first one he's chained to Jabba and kills who he comes up against fairly easily. One death which I quite which I found quite funny is where he spares a guy in the balls. That was then the next one he's got like his cool armour on and he kills each person with proficient ease like the cutting is so great and like has a great rhythm to it in each kill. Not playing to the crowd at all. So you assume okay Maximus has to toy with his opponent opponents more to win the crowd to win his freedom. But the first Coliseum fight is a huge step up. So he's forced to work together with the other slaves very quickly. And then you that's like his commander roll. It's like he's back in the army. Yeah, yeah, move here, move that put the ramp up all the you know. So in these moments, he's just trying to survive not obviously play to the to the crowd at all, you know, the odds are completely against them. But I love how they kind of wait for the right moment to take out the first chariot by like sticking out the shield at the last moment. And then they kind of go straight for them after that. Just really well done like visual storytelling there. And just that first action scene in the Coliseum is so well done. I love like all the low angles, shots of the chariots with the massive blades on them. Very bad her vibes, the you know, the way that woman gets slice into is brilliant, not for her. Each chariot crash feels really dramatic. You know, really, Scott just has a great eye. And he just seems to know where to put the camera for each shot. Just really exciting to watch. I never get bored of the action scenes in this film. It just and we've kind of touched on this with action before like action is kind of moving away from like the fast cutting style. And you know, you've got the wide lenses, but certainly this style of action still is really compelling. If you can do it. Well like Ridley Scott, it's just second nature to him. Exactly. Having fast paced and many cuts and going through many perspectives is good. If you can, like it's not too jarring or it's not too disorienting. This is done well you can follow the action. Even though it's quick you're like whoa, she Oh my god because it gets the the chaotic flow of what's going on. Like, oh man, so much is going on. But you can follow it. You know, I think some action films they don't try and do that as well. Xenomania like a horse chariot falling over shouldn't feel that dramatic. But it feels like a car crash. You know, it feels so huge. I think because they he does it from many different perspectives that tell more and more of the story about exactly. So it's like, it flips up, you're like, Okay, you see the axe or go or you're like, oh my god, we're under it. You see it smashed into the side. Oh god, now we're over it. We're kind of more in the rafters with the audience. Now we're seeing what the Smash is like from the other end of the, you know, on the inside of the stage, you know, it's shaking the wall. So it just makes a chariot smash like, feel enormous. You're like, this isn't just the chariot smashing, like, these are all of the perspectives on the Smash. It's like it's a it's a big event. Yeah. And that can be done so quickly. And you know, you're like, Oh, wow. Yeah, my favourite shot though, is quite a simple one. Really. I love the shot of Maximus, like have his sword flying through the air before it kills one of the Praetorian soldiers. It's just really the fact that you don't see him throw it and all you hear is you know, you hear that sound effect before you you see the soldier in the shot. It's a screen. Just really stylish though. You got a favourite shot or scene? Probably Well, my favourite scene might be Maximus dying and that whole end of the film that's that's pretty damn good one. Or maybe him just beating the tar out of Commodus beats the fucking hell out of him. Oh, you know where he cuts that guy's head off? That was crazy. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, double double cuts that guy's head off with the sword. That's pretty cool. That's probably my favourite fire thing. Probably. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. It's like really brutal. I entertained. You're entertained? That's not while you're here. Not really too quick. May got to slow it down a bit. Yeah, we're just Dude, that's fucking gross. Don't you kill them nice. I don't know what the currency was back then. But I spent a lot of money for this and you are so quick. What's going on? So score for directing. For me. I think this is arguably in Ridley Scott's top three or top five. So I would go like a 9.3 having for directing. I think that's really fair. Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna go like a nine point. Fuck me. I'm gonna go 9.5 Screenplay then. The big question that I always ask myself when watching this film is since when does Russell Crowe look Spanish? Yeah. It always boggled my mind. Actually, when he was saying like, they call him a Spaniard. I'm like, In what world? I think you look you look more Spanish than he does. I think I look more. Well. If you if any of the viewers have seen a picture of me, they'll know how ridiculous that sounds. Yeah, cuz I'm trying to think like in the opening bell, they don't refer to him at Spanish origin at all. So it's just very off putting. It's just the general general. Yeah, it's just kind of weird. And then at some point in the film, like the Spaniard you're like, What the hell? Yeah, it was fine. The scene where Marcus are Maximus to become the protector of Rome is really interesting. Because before we get to that scene, there's several moments where people ask maximum. So what are you going to do after we leave? And he's like, Well, I'm going to see my family. But then he's called into Marcus's is 10. And Marcus starts talking to him and asked about what his home is like, and you have a strong inkling that Maximus isn't going home anytime soon. And you know, and it's no surprise that he doesn't. But what's interesting is the psychology from Marcus's point of view, because he's saying all this, you know, conquering is basically boring and pointless, and Rome is totally corrupt. And I think the events that follow are all because Marcus is so consumed by power and is has like an ageing arrogance, the that he expects Maximus to become the protector of Rome. And when he talks to Commodus, he expects that he will accept his decision. And he can handle his disappointment. But he gets murdered by his own son. So the film is all Marx's fault. Really. Marcus is the corrupt one. without realising it, in a way, I just find the psychology of his character. Brief really interesting in in those opening scenes, well, I kind of always thought of it as him trying to do what he thought was the right thing. Like, at least in the end, I don't think it it was basically in keeping with everything he's done so far in his life, and I think probably he knew we would be communist might kill him for this direction. But he kind of thought that he had to do it. And it I mean, it does come out kind of getting it I do feel sorry for Commodus as a character because nobody likes him. And throughout this film, he does himself no favours this test, testable man. But you think what probably led to this? Is it the fact that he was detestable? That's why nobody loved him, or was it the fact that nobody loved him? Like, even when he's killing his dad, he's like, you know, I would say he's gets really emotional. What was it? I would burn everything. If only you would love me, you know? Yeah. And you think Jesus Christ, you know, like, you know, he knows he's not even loved by his own father. And you know, the things that Marcus would say like to Maximus, like, you know, you were the son I wish I had and stuff like that. Like, man, this is this kind of deep. It's pretty deep. You can tell it gets to communists, I don't even think it's about the emperor or the title. It's just about it's a rivalry between this man son and his surrogate son. So, yeah, it definitely does feel like this whole film is, is because of Marcus's failings, you know, where he even he even says, like, which again is a terrible thing to say to your child, but he says, like to come with us why you won't choose him as like, your faults as a, as a son, or my failures as a father. Yeah, like so he is admitting he's a disappointment as a child, right? He just asking to be mad at it did himself no favours. I think like one of the real ideas of what this film explores is, what is the greatness of Rome to the people. You know, Mark has conquered the world, but for what you know, they didn't see the battles, the people don't have an idea of how great Rome actually is across the world. In a Marcus, in the end, wanted to give back, Rome to the people run by the people as a republic, you know, no birthrights to roll with Commodus. He's not a dumb character at all. He's giving the people what they want. He gives them a chance to see the greatness of Rome through the gladiatorial battles in the Coliseum, keeping the people happy while well, trying to roll in peace and trying to have sex with a system honourable. Usually, I don't enjoy political storytelling, in certainly films like this, but in this one, it's quite interesting. You know, and it's all kind of summed up in one line from Derek Jakobi. His character, Senator Caracas, he'll bring them death, and they'll love him for it. So I do enjoy the politics in this film, actually. Yeah, no, definitely. I think actually, because I've watched the extended version when I was doing okay, because I never watched the extended version. I've always watched the theatrical one. I do recommend it. Like it's got a few extra bits. But one of the things that I think it does a little better is go over the politics. Okay, so adds a few more scenes, which discuss the politics. And I think that was really interesting. So I suggest you watch it. Yeah. And in some of the additional scenes, they go over how Commodus his bread and circuses is funding for the gladiatorial games to make him popular with the people. Yeah, that it's bankrupting the the Empire. So it's actually doing a lot of harm. They're really him just trying to keep them happy. So that this will not work out in the long run. But he just wants love, I think I think that's the sad thing about Commodus. He wants love. He wants love from his father. He wants love from his sister. He wants love from the people and he doesn't have it and so he's trying, whatever way so he is he is very jealous of you know, I think what the the love from the people is certainly what kind of drives a lot of this film. You know, the moment where the people are so important to the story is in the epic moment that's always gives me chills when Commodus comes down from the crowd to meet the great Spaniards and Maximus takes off his helmet and says the famous lines of my name is Ma Maximus you say my name is Maximus Decimus Meridius is like General of the Northern Legion Commander of the army so the seven yeah commander the army servant of the true Emperor Marcus Aurelius father to a murdered son husband to a murdered wife. I will have my vengeance in this life for the next almost gone it almost I was quite missed a few lines I think General of the feelings legions Felix legions. Yeah, okay. I couldn't forget that Felix Legion loyal servant to the true emperor. Yeah, I think I got that mostly right. That just springs to mind if you if you want to hear an epic reading from memory that powers does check out our rated comic book podcast where buyers can literally recite from memory the V for Vendetta, like Yeah, that was that was pretty badass. That was pretty badass. Yeah, but in this one after he says that epic line, you know, so epic. But what makes it interesting is that Commodus is about to arrest him but the crowd start booing and start shouting live live live. So Commodus starts to try and like quiet and down the crowd. But he keeps shouting live live, and he he doesn't have a choice but to stick up a thumbs up to the crowd. You know, meaning live. So his his plan is kind of backfiring. And they don't love Commodus. They love the Spaniard you know then the film becomes a battle between the two characters to win the crowd. Being Caesar isn't all powerful without the crowd on side we've got the people on site, you know, and then there's great moments when the crowds love for Maximus grow stronger. After Maximus defeats the tiger dude, Maximus uses the crowd against Commodus by refusing to kill the tiger dude after Commodus puts the thumbs down, which means kill him but the crowd is disappointed but then they're like someone shouts Maximus the most of all, you know, but the crowd still chance his name and not, you know the season's name. So it's just really interesting how Maximus manipulates the crowd in this film to get them onside. I do love that scene straight afterwards where Commodus he's he's getting so fed up with this. So he goes back down to talk to him I love that talks together. And he's like, you know, he tries to go them into attacking him. Yeah, because then he can be justified he can be justified in killing him Yeah, it's like oh, he's gone to stab the Emperor Okay, yeah, I guess he's a piece of shit. And he keeps like he goes into detail about what happened to his wife and son Yeah, is really dark kind of mean ish shit that you know where he's like oh yeah you know your your your son screamed like a guy's they nailed Him to the cross and your wife moaned like a horror as they ravaged you know it's really fucked up shit. Yeah, I love that moment from acting from Russell Crowe he he's really trying to hold back like I love his line. You know, the time for honouring yourself will soon be out and Highness like so he's even still you know? What a fuck you gonna keep my composure? To put it mildly. Yeah, I think the whole planning to get Maximus out of the sea so you can get back to his men, then retake the sea to give the sea back to the people does feel a tad rushed to me. And he failed feel like the plan is doomed to fail before they work out all the details. But I do like how Commodus finds out about the plan through Lucis. His nephew, then he tells the story about how Emperor Claudius was portrayed while staring at a sister. A great little dynamic there between the two characters. And then communist becomes super evil again, when he says UCS will stay with me. And if his mother so much as looks at me in a manner that displeases me, he will die. But then becomes even more evil when the camera like turns to reveal that Lucilia is sitting right in the room right near him as he's threatening her son as if she's not even there. And like Commodus continues by saying, if you decide to be noble, and take her own life, he will die. So the whole breaking out plan isn't great, but it gives an opportunity to hate Commodus even more, which is kind of great and more satisfying when Maximus kills him, you know? Yeah, it is very satisfying. What do you make of the whole plan to you know, try to get him out of the city so you can rejoin his army and all that. Does it work for you? Or does it kind of drag the story a little? I don't know. I think it can kind of work because it's established fairly early on that the army more loyal to him. Yeah. Cuz you remember as they're walking up and after the battle, and he says to Marcus Aurelius, he goes, the men, they're honouring you, Caesar. He's like, No, the men honour you. And then he raises sword, and they all raise their sword. So I think he's fairly established that the men follow him. Yeah, like, most of the army are gonna follow him. Not Commodus. So if he's, if he's known to be alive, they'll just drop their shit. And they'll. So I think that kind of works. And if he would get out maybe, and I think that they they keep the plan is feasible that he could escape until the last minute where it's like, no, he's captured, all of his friends are killed. And yeah, you know, so I think it could kind of work. I always just felt like, the plan was never gonna work. Even watching it for the first time and like, yeah, it's not gonna work. Yeah, I mean, it isn't a particularly detailed plan. And essentially, it's not even really a plan for victory, because it just means he'll go find his man, and they'll join him. But then he'll still have to fight whatever men are loyal to Commodore. So it's gonna be a battle, which, you know, I mean, that's not like massively diplomatic or complicated or some sort of ingenious way. It's just I'll go get my guys and then we'll storm the city. Alright. Maybe I don't know. It's kind of funny because comedy is his death is so unnecessary, but it kind of makes sense. Because he is so insecure as a character. Why why did you love me? Yeah, that is basically comedy. The people don't love it. And so you know, he wants to show that he has balls, but he doesn't. He's a he's a snivelling coward. Everybody knows he is a eunuch. Yeah. And I like how he wants to prove something to himself. So he decides we're gonna have fight One on one. And Russell Crowe is like, Are you kidding me? You know, you're gonna fight me? The size of me. You suck, man. Yeah, I like how he's like you think I'm afraid and he's like, I think you've been afraid your entire life. But how he just he kind of stabs him. So he's like bleeding to death. So, you know, he has a huge handicap. Even then, Russell Crowe completely demolished him here, even with basically a punctured lung, I think. Yeah, exactly. He's bleeding to death. He can barely grasp his sword. I love that bit where they're both unarmed. Like neither of them have swords and he just punches in. Well, I like how he even says The Quint as because Quintus is like this captain who is close with Russell Crowe, but he will obey the Emperor no matter what, you know, he betray. Yeah. Russell Crowe and he does all this nasty stuff. And you can tell like Russell Crowe bears no ill will to him what he did. Yeah, you know, it's betrayal. And at the end, it's like, neither of them have sword. So he's like, Quintus give me a sword. He's like, anybody give me a sword. And he's like, seize your swords? Because he's like, No, that's it. This guy is he's so full of shit. You know what I mean? Be a be a man. You know, if you say you're gonna fight a man on man. Do it yourself. Yeah. Keep to your word. And then yeah, and then he just gets utterly beaten. He gets the hell. That was very satisfying. I mean, there's so many great epic lines in this film. If you find yourself alone, riding in Greenfield's with a sun on your face. Do not be troubled for you are in Elysium and you are already Yeah, man. What we do in this life echoes throughout eternity. The frost. Sometimes it makes the blade stick. But that was it. Yeah, cuz he can't get his sword out of the scabbard. That praetorian. Yeah. You sold me queer giraffes. Yeah, that was funny. I like his friend who you know he's always like, you know, you'll join your family. But not yet and all that stuff Joba? He's quite wise, very kind of sage. Yeah. All of a raid is great in this film, as well. He has some really cool lines. I shall be closer to you for the next few days, which will be the last of your miserable lives. Then that pitch of a mother that brought you screaming into this world. Yeah. And then when Proxima is talking to, I don't know, one of the A wealthy Roman just before the gladiatorial battles, and the guy says to proximo you don't like it, then you can crawl back down that shed hole from where you came from. While I put on my ridiculous week. I think my favourite line is at my secret. unleash hell. Yeah, that's a great line. Yeah, you got a favourite when he? He gets from his, like, Lieutenant or something. Like the little figurines of his family that he can play with. And then his friend asks him, do your family still hear you? You know, from the other side? He goes, Yeah. So what would you tell? What do you tell them? And he goes well, to my son, keep your form up for riding horses and stuff like that. And to my wife, none of your business. I do like their their dialogue between each other. So screenplay score for me. I do like the screenplay, a law. Yeah. I mean, there's a whole plan of maximum escaping the city to get to his man. And, you know, take the seat back, it does slow the film down a little bit for me, but I do like the fact that, you know, it gives Commodus those extra scenes to be proper evil, maybe an assassination attempt would have made a lot more sense, but possibly, you know, trying to sneak into his his palace and got him or something. But I mean, this film is just epic, personified. I'll give it a straight nine, I think. Yeah, I think I'll give it a nine as well. Cool. All right, acting. I do like the acting from working Phoenix. Before he murders his father. He does. He does like spoiled brat. Really. Just the way he's, he's crying just screams entitlement. You know, where he's saying the Four Virtues or being a Caesar are this, this and this and says, when I read the list, I know I have none of them. And then near the end, he says, But none of my virtues were on your list. When he says Phoenix starts to get emotional and he just he's just like, why are you going to pick me? It's not fair. You just know it's not going to end well for Marcus. You know, the music is brilliant as well driving the narrative before the big hug. Yeah, just working. Phoenix is really impressive in this film. He does Abadi really well. I think he's incredible in this movie. Yeah. I think he does a really good bad guy. I think he's coming this is quite compelling because, you know, as I said, I can't help but feel sorry for him that he seems like you're so unloved but then he does come across as like a spoiled wind jeep. And, and he does that well and then he comes across as really cruel and very creepy. Oh, yeah. Like you know where you were saying you know when he was like he uncovers the plot and stuff like that and the stuff he's saying about his sister, you know, like, tell me busy little bee what you've been up to or I will kill those closest to you you will watch as I bathe in their blood. And he's just really intense like, you know, he's eyes and shit and he does it so well. The scary dude sometimes. So yeah, I love I love his performance as commoner I love the show on working Phoenix when Maximus refuses to take his hand for loyalty to the new emperor, he, you know, near the start. His face is amazing. It's just like you blasted. And then when the camera comes back to him into his face. Just an amazing sinister look with the slightest smile filled with evil, you know, just just brilliant. Yeah, and he just he does just a gentle look to Quintus and you know what he's saying? He's like, Yeah, kill him. Yeah, arrest that man. Because he didn't kiss me. Essentially, I need a kiss. God dammit. I love me. Russell Crowe is amazing as well. Especially when he sees his family hung up and burn dead. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was amazing. He has this kind of uncontrollable emotion that he lets take over him in his in his performance, with like snot coming out of his nose. And it's like, he can hardly open his eyes. And it's really and he's really struggling to breathe as well. And I always find it amazing how actors can get to those emotional places. Plus, his kid is a bit dumb, though. I mean, a bunch of horses are riding right. And you don't move away. What are you doing? Yeah, but that really freaked me out when I was younger. And with a horse just mosey down. He said I shouldn't be laughing. It's horrible. It's like just mosey down his kid. Yeah. You're like, holy crap. I was pretty stupid. I mean, come on. Get out. Move out the way it's not slowing down. And Joaquin Phoenix is great in this film, but he has a really weird sequence. When during the first Coliseum fight, they cut to him sometimes really quickly, and he's like messing around begging. I'm like, What the hell is really playful? You know? I mean, yeah, I know. Like when Yeah, Max saw it. And he's like yeah, that was a bit and then he's like, sticking his tongue out. He's like, Oh, yeah, another bit of blood. Yeah. What do you intend to do some sort of weird cockney drunk? Yeah. Yeah, it's very off putting a bizarre baby is very odd. He does pull like a lot of weird faces. Yeah. Like Commodus come down, man. Yeah, I'm done. Yeah, my favourite performances, Joaquin Phoenix, just does an evil Emperor emperor, so he doesn't really well. And I genuinely quite like his performance. I love it. A lot of other characters as well. The guy that does proximo Oliver Reed he's fantastic. So, you know, Marcus Aurelius is? Who is he? Who is a human being incredibly famous actor. Incredibly Dumble a I think he's his Dumbledore, right? Yes. Yes, that's his real name. Richard Harris. Richard Harris. Yes. Oh, is he easy relate to you? No, no, I haven't even my name. Okay. This Oh, my Am My name people. Not Harris. I'm Harries Fox. All right, Commodus, your bitch love me. Name is Harries. So acting score for me, I was your favourite performance working Phoenix as well. Yeah, mine is working Phoenix score for me. I'll go 8.8 I think that is really for. Yeah, so I was thinking like, eight point. I'll go in 8.6. Okay. I mean, are there some performances that don't work for you? Um, I, I think there are some, you know, that don't work as much for me. I don't know some of the side characters some of the other Gladdy is Lucy Whatever. Whew, I don't think we're as good. I think I might change mine because I kind of agree so I'll get 8.7 Right let's add up the scores then for Gladiator. Gladiator gets 54.1 is very impressive for I do feel like in the last couple of months, we have been very generous because I've been looking back at this course I'm like, really? That low. Right next week as nightmare alley hits the big screens around the world. And of course that is directed by one of the three amigos of the directing world. And I'm of course talking about Guillermo del Toro so we'll be able to look at his films picking our favourite from his work. And as always, you might know now already but we have a buy me a coffee account. So if you want to say a big thank you and buy us a coffee, look at the show notes below. Click on the link and you can buy us a coffee and give us a really nice, big thank you bow as as Bo as he has stickiness. You have been meeting. Okay, Martin taneous. Harrier assessors says bye bye. Bye bye. That's it for this week's pod. Thank you for listening. We hope you enjoyed it. 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